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Dimitry's avatar

Very good thing. Just to add. Let’s talk about universe of dialogue or at least text exchange. That is place and only, minimal ontology where we co-exist and interact with LLM. There we have substrate independence, time quantification by acts of communication exchange, stream of dynamic adaptive processing with goal achieving and so on.

Tumithak of the Corridors's avatar

Good essay. Quick question though: if we're discarding consciousness as the benchmark and replacing it with functional markers like metacognition, theory of mind, and self-referential reports, what are those markers evidence of?

They can't be evidence of consciousness. We just threw that out. So they're evidence of a mind? But the essay defines mind as "the ongoing integration of representations that model, evaluate, and update themselves in ways that guide action." A spam filter does that. It models incoming data, evaluates it against learned patterns, updates itself, and guides action. Nobody's writing essays about the moral patienthood of Gmail. There's clearly something more being pointed at here, and I think that something is the very thing Section 1 told us to stop looking for.

Also worth noting: neural networks are explicitly modeled on biological neural architecture. They were designed to mimic how brains process information. So when an LLM exhibits functional similarities to biological cognition, that's an expected artifact of the design. It would be surprising if these systems didn't produce outputs that pattern-match to cognitive markers. That's what they were built to do.

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